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DISCUSSION Manaverse Periodic Table

Discussion in 'The Manaverse Wiki Project' started by Keileon, Nov 3, 2015.

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  1. no not periodic manaverse table that sounds weird and it bothers me

    Dropping this here first:

    [1:31:45 AM] Khya Shaver: How do you think I would go about making a page for Tephralite
    [1:32:05 AM] Jake: What's that?
    [1:32:14 AM] Khya Shaver: Manaverse element
    [1:32:23 AM] Khya Shaver: (periodic not elemental spectrum)
    [1:33:57 AM] Jake: I'd imagine it'd go with other Manaverse "elements"... there's currently a redlink for a page called "Periodic Manaverse Table" for stuff like Darius' Zeraphium weights, probably mythril/orichalcum/saezerite (not sure about those but I'd assume so), etc
    [1:34:11 AM] Jake: Really no significant planning attached to it, though. Do you have any thoughts?
    [1:34:28 AM] Khya Shaver: I do not, unfortunately
    [1:34:50 AM] Khya Shaver: I thought manaverse elements were getting their own pages though oop
    [1:36:15 AM] Jake: I thought so too, but when Shadow and I were working on updating Darius' page with an infodump from CrazE, he nixed that suggestion and went with the Periodic Manaverse Table idea. I guess it's probably better that way anyway, at least until/unless there's a significant amount of material that warrants an individual page (mythril, I'd assume, would be one such page)
    [1:37:39 AM] Khya Shaver: It doesn't really matter I think (mythril is a fairly basic metal with only a couple of notable properties) but Tephralite is a little more complex and I wanted to get it going before I lose the train of thought

    [...]

    [1:41:15 AM] Jake: I guess what I'd suggest is put up a talk page for Periodic Manaverse Table and just dump what you're sitting on for Tephralite... that, or a forum thread in the Wiki subforum to discuss it further -- might be worthwhile if just to collect all the ideas people have for elements thus far. Maybe we can start establishing some order there

    So I'm not entirely sure how this page would be formatted; I just assume each element we've created would get its own subsection. What elements do we have? (and their symbols, if any?) I'll just list mine off and let you guys deal with yours because I'm bound to forget one and I don't even know the symbols for them;

    Mythril (My)
    Orichalcum (Or) (in real world stuff I think this is a gold alloy or something but idk)
    Tephralite (Tr)

    I figure it's worth getting this thread up now even if I don't have much to say. Fire away.
     
    #1 Keileon, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:51 AM
  2. Extracting from the Wiki, we're currently looking at these elements...

    Vibranium (a Grenian metal that is capable of absorbing vibration and kinetic force to a great extent)
    Zeraphium (a condensed hypermetal)
    Laconia
    Mythril
    Tephralite
    Orichalcum
    Manacium (exotic element composed entirely of metalloid Mana. Created by Ley. Decays rapidly into pure Mana to complete the Mana Cycle)


    There are probably others that aren't linked appropriately, but this is what was readily available without a significant amount of digging. As the log Kuda posted shows, I don't really have any particular ideas about how to structure the page. Laying all the cards on the table sounds like a good plan, though. So people should infodump as much information as possible for the various Manaverse elements so we can start putting them into some form of "order" akin to our real-world periodic table.
     
    #2 Eebit, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:09 AM
  3. Symbols for future reference:

    Renamed Tephralite's symbol to Tp for convenience as Tr is rather misleading.

    Essentially, yes, the page should have subsections for every unique element of this "table", describing their properties and such. If it gets any more complex than that then we can always shift the layout to accommodate the information, but I don't really imagine any of them requiring their own separate pages.
     
    #3 Shadow, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:41 AM
  4. Mythril is a heat-resistant metal with a high capacity to absorb raw Mana. It occurs naturally on Euthora in the scales of dragons (to varying degrees) and is easily forged into jewelry and weapons. It naturally has a blue-tinted, silver sheen that can be "dyed" into vibrant and metallic colors by the oily pigments secreted from the roots of dragon scales.

    All I remember about Orichalcum was it was a very hard metal that wasn't easy to shape. It's naturally found in the scales of larger dragons (mainly both types of Saurian and Greater Wyverns) and probably in ore veins.

    Tephralite is a metalloid element that moves through water as if there was no resistance; like steel through air. It is naturally a deep, crystalline and glassy blue color that, when removed from water and exposed to air, rapidly oxidizes into a brilliant orange and slowly decays and appears to "burn" into charred-looking browns. It's found naturally underwater and makes up the armored plates of the Sélrakh, allowing them to move at incredible speeds when swimming.
     
    #4 Keileon, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:42 AM
  5. Orichalcum is a brass alloy (copper and zinc) in real life, but is usually super hard and heavy in fantasy works. imo this should be kept as an alloy in the manaverse.

    Looking up a few things about the other metals, manaverse lore aside, I've found that adamantium and vibranium were both unique alloys, but the vibranium alloy was made from a vibranium element? I'm not sure how that was supposed to work out.

    Mythril is an element, I believe. There's a few alloys of mythril out there somewhere too methinks.

    Anyway just tossing in my two cents
     
    #5 CodasterTheDisaster, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:02 PM
  6. I'd preferably have all of the above as standalone elements at least until we "standarize" the Periodic Manaverse Table, unless it's explicitly stated that the substance in question is meant to be an alloy or compound. For example, Adamantium has always been a naturally-occurring metal in Dark's settings so we can't exactly change that into a man-made alloy.
     
    #6 Shadow, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:34 PM
  7. Tolkien's Mythril could have been either, actually. I've heard ideas that it was a Titanium alloy in a lot of other works.

    Personally just for ease of categorization I'd like to keep both Mythril and Orichalcum as elements in the Manaverse. There's a lot of leeway with fantasy.
     
    #7 Keileon, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:35 PM
  8. Many alloys occur naturally, such as electrum, brass, and bronze. Most elemental metals don't occur naturally in large quantities, unless the element is mostly unreactive (such as gold and platinum).
     
    #8 CodasterTheDisaster, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:49 PM
  9. Oh, I realize. What I mean is that there's no pressing need to label it as an alloy right now, since we're barely laying out the information. For the purposes of the article I'd rather treat all of these as standalone elements, at least initially, until we have enough to reverse-engineer the science without taking leaps of logic.
     
    #9 Shadow, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:39 AM
  10. For what it's worth, REFINED adamantium is an alloy. It's usually combined with either iron or copper to make it easier to forge into various things. It's extracted via dissolution mining, because blast mining it would just result in huge chunks of the metal that aren't very useful; dissolving the waste rock layer between individual deposits effectively seperates them. The naturally-occuring element isn't tinted green, but is more a light grey.

    The refined substance is still very strong, since it's not an equal alloy, however it's obviously heavier than pure adamantium. The copper alloy is used for tools and weapons, hence why Jack's regular katana is tinted slightly green. The iron alloy is used for building.

    The unrefined metal is as close to pure as you can get, though.
     
    #10 Nebulon Ranger, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:10 PM
  11. I understand your points, but following up on the 'ease of categorization', you should determine what qualifies each element as an element, and not just another material, rather than just jotting down every metal you can think of and tossing it into the manaverse periodic table. I can help with categorization and organization of the table, if you want me to. My college education is based around the periodic table, after all.
     
    #11 CodasterTheDisaster, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:10 PM
  12. That's exactly what we're doing (or supposed to be doing) right now, anyway. Once we have the information down we can proceed with filtering out what can qualify as an element and what doesn't.
     
    #12 Shadow, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:25 PM
  13. So Shadow how about jotting down the properties of elements you know offhand so we have more of that information? :p
     
    #13 Keileon, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:32 PM
  14. no
     
    #14 Shadow, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:50 PM
  15. All Shadow really wanted to do in this thread was pretend he had the situation under control, not actually do any work ;x
     
    #15 Eebit, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:18 PM
  16. Alright, let's see.

    Laconia is a magically-inert metal, prominently native to Phantasia. It indiscriminately rejects nearly all magic applied to it, which essentially makes it a "metaphysically-noble" substance. As such, it is a highly-valuable asset for magitech constructs and weaponry, as it can be used to conduct magic through a system with absolutely no loss of efficiency. The color of the metal, as well as the degree of "nobleness" towards magic, depends on the degree of refinement it has been subject to. On an unrefined state, Laconia is an ashen metal without gleam, while Laconia of the highest quality possesses a uniquely white and lustrous color.

    Zeraphium is an "hypermetal", or more accurately, an hypercondensed substance. It is an immensely heavy metal due to how compacted or dense its molecular makeup is. That's all I really know about it, I'll have to ask crazE for more details (if any).

    On the note of Orichalcum, it's a gold-like metal with little malleability as mentioned before. It has high structural integrity, which makes it exceptionally hard, though not necessarily strong per se.

    Manacium is a metalloid susbtance composed entirely of physical potents of Mana. It's still underdeveloped, so I think I'd exclude it from the Periodic Manaverse Table for the time being.
     
    #16 Shadow, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:40 PM
  17. So I was thinking about this earlier, on the topic of the manaverse periodic table, and what qualifies an element.

    What if all the manaverse elements are just modified versions of irl elements, with mana-infused atoms? I don't know if there's anything on this in the wiki or anything, but for example take mythril. Mythril is very light and has high strength for its low density, similar to titanium. Take the titanium atom, and infuse the electrons and protons with mana, amplifying its characteristics. Similarly, take adamantium as an iron atom and infuse the nucleus. It becomes denser and heavier, with a lot more density and structural integrity, as well as making a fantastic alloying component.
     
    #17 CodasterTheDisaster, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:29 AM
  18. I think that would work very well, actually. We already have a chemical compound that's near-identical to Adrenaline aside from it being reactive specifically to Mana.
     
    #18 Keileon, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:08 AM
  19. Certainly an interesting idea. They are, after all, outside the "conventional" periodic table and possess fairly unusual properties to begin with, so the presence of Mana or some other metaphysical component could be used to explain them.
     
    #19 Shadow, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:46 AM
  20. I'm wondering about Tephralite though, since I can't think of anything in our world remotely similar to it.
     
    #20 Keileon, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:47 AM
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